@movq@www.uninformativ.de I think I now remember having similar problems back then. I’m pretty sure I typically consulted the Qt C++ documentation and only very rarely looked at the Python one. It was easy enough to translate the C++ code to Python.
Yeah, the GIL can be problematic at times. I’m glad it wasn’t an issue for my application.
FTR, I see one (two) issues with PyQt6, sadly:
- The PyQt6 docs appear to be mostly auto-generated from the C++ docs. And they contain many errors or broken examples (due to the auto-conversion). I found this relatively unpleasent to work with.
- (Until Python finally gets rid of the Global Interpreter Lock properly, it’s not really suited for GUI programs anyway – in my opinion. You can’t offload anything to a second thread, because the whole program is still single-threaded. This would have made my fractal rendering program impossible, for example.)
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@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yeah, give it a shot. At worst you know that you have to continue your quest. :-)
Fun fact, during a semester break I was actually a little bored, so I just started reading the Qt documentation. I didn’t plan on using Qt for anything, though. I only looked at the docs because they were on my bucket list for some reason. Qt was probably recommended to me and coming from KDE myself, that was motivation enough to look at the docs just for fun.
The more I read, the more hooked I got. The documentation was extremely well written, something I’ve never seen before. The structure was very well thought out and I got the impression that I understood what the people thought when they actually designed Qt.
A few days in I decided to actually give it a real try. Having never done anything in C++ before, I quickly realized that this endeavor won’t succeed. I simply couldn’t get it going. But I found the Qt bindings for Python, so that was a new boost. And quickly after, I discovered that there were even KDE bindings for Python in my package manager, so I immediately switched to them as that integrated into my KDE desktop even nicer.
I used the Python KDE bindings for one larger project, a planning software for a summer camp that we used several years. It’s main feature was to see who is available to do an activity. In the past, that was done on a large sheet of paper, but people got assigned two activities at the same time or weren’t assigned at all. So, by showing people in yellow (free), green (one activity assigned) and red (overbooked), this sped up and improved the planning process.
Another core feature was to generate personalized time tables (just like back in school) and a dedicated view for the morning meeting on site.
It was extended over the years with all sorts of stuff. E.g. I then implemented a warning if all the custodians of an activitiy with kids were underage to satisfy new the guidelines that there should be somebody of age.
Just before the pandemic I started to even add support for personalized live views on phones or tablets during the planning process (with web sockets, though). This way, people could see their own schedule or independently check at which day an activity takes place etc. For these side quests, they don’t have to check the large matrix on the projector. But the project died there.
Here’s a screenshot from one of the main views: https://lyse.isobeef.org/tmp/k3man.png
This Python+Qt rewrite replaced and improved the Java+Swing predecessor.
@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Hmmmmmmmmmmmm … guess I should take a look at Qt. 🤔 That’s the one popular toolkit that I’ve never really tried for some reason. I really don’t like C++ (might as well use Rust), so I’ll also use Python.
@movq@www.uninformativ.de Don’t you worry, this was meant as a joke. :-D
There was a time when I thought that Swing was actually really good. But having done some Qt/KDE later, I realized how much better that was. That were the late KDE 3 and early KDE 4 days, though. Not sure how it is today. But back then it felt Trolltech and the KDE folks put a hell lot more thought into their stuff. I was pleasantly surprised how natural it appeared and all the bits played together. Sure, there were the odd ends, but the overall design was a lot better in my opinion.
To be fair, I never used it from C++, always the Python bindings, which were considerably more comfortable (just alone the possibility to specify most attributes right away as kwargs in the constructor instead of calling tons of setters). And QtJambi, the Java binding, was also relatively nice. I never did a real project though, just played around with the latter.
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I was always under the wrong impression that Tkinter is bundled with Python.
It should be. Maybe your distro splits it off. 🤔
@movq@www.uninformativ.de I never programmed with Tkinter myself and it’s been ages that I ran a program which used it. I always thought that it looks awful. But maybe there are nicer themes these days. I just wanted to give the demo python3 -m tkinter a try, but this module doesn’t exist. I was always under the wrong impression that Tkinter is bundled with Python.
@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Xfce is nice, but it’s also mostly GTK. I don’t really know the answer yet. For now, I’ll just avoid anything that uses GTK4.
For my own programs, I might have a closer look at Tkinter. I was complaining recently that I couldn’t find a good file manager, so it might be an interesting excercise to write one in Python+Tkinter. 🤔 (Or maybe that’s too much work, I don’t know yet.)
I have a Python script that transforms the original YouTube channel Atom feed into a more useful Atom feed by removing the spam description and replacing it with the video duration, filtering out videos by title, duration, etc. I just updated it to exclude the damn Shorts garbage more efficiently. Finally, YouTube updated their Atom feed generation, so that the video URL contains /short/ if it’s of this useless kind. Never thought that they ever actually will improve their Atom feeds. Thank you, much appreciated!
@movq@www.uninformativ.de I’d love to have a Python script pushing my local CSV, too. But that’s never gonna fly, not in a thousand years. I can’t imagine that ever becoming reasonably stable without having to fix everything after the reverse-engineered API changes again.
@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I do my timetracking in a little Python script, locally. Every now and then, I push the data to our actual service. Problem solved – but it’s a completely unpopular approach, they all want to use the web site. I don’t get it. Then, of course, when it’s down, shit hits the fan. (Luckily, our timetracking software is neither developed nor run by us anymore. It’s a silly cloud service, but the upside is that I’m not responsible anymore. 🤷)
Some of our oldschool devs tried to roll out local timetracking once, about 15 years ago. I don’t remember anymore why they failed …
This is developed inhouse, I’m just so glad that we’re not a software engineering company. Oh wait. How embarrassing.
Oh to be anonymous on the internet. That must be nice. 😅
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@prologic@twtxt.net interesting that ruby is so low on the list, i find it the easiest to learn! hell i struggle with python more than ruby and i’ve been told that python is like ruby but better lol. maybe it’s just my weird brain!
One of the nicest things about Go is the language itself, comparing Go to other popular languages in terms of the complexity to learn to be proficient in:
- Go:
25keywords (Stack Overflow); CSP-style concurrency (goroutines & channels)
- Python 2:
30keywords (TutorialsPoint); GIL-bound threads & multiprocessing (Wikipedia)
- Python 3:
35keywords (Initial Commit); GIL-bound threads,asyncio& multiprocessing (Wikipedia, DEV Community)
- Java:
50keywords (Stack Overflow); threads +java.util.concurrent(Wikipedia)
- C++:
82keywords (Stack Overflow);std::thread, atomics & futures (en.cppreference.com)
- JavaScript:
38keywords (Stack Overflow); single-threaded event loop &async/await, Web Workers (Wikipedia)
- Ruby:
42keywords (Stack Overflow); GIL-bound threads (MRI), fibers & processes (Wikipedia)
@bender@twtxt.net Here’s a short-list:
- Simple, minimal syntax—master the core in hours, not months.
- CSP-style concurrency (goroutines & channels)—safe, scalable parallelism.
- Blazing-fast compiler & single-binary deploys—zero runtime dependencies.
- Rich stdlib & built-in tooling (gofmt, go test, modules).
- No heavy frameworks or hidden magic—unlike Java/C++/Python overhead.
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