@movq@www.uninformativ.de Mu (µ)’s startup latency appears to be ~10ms on my machine:

$ time ./bin/mu ./foo.mu 

real    0m0.011s
user    0m0.004s
sys     0m0.006s

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org to be fair, that’s nothing, really

the logo used to be way larger and occupied the entire header, up to obfuscating the menu at my computer…

I do have a nitpick though, the logo isn’t transparent so it will look off in dark themes.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org

I assume you made the thing load quickly, didn’t you?

That’s the problem with Python. If you have a couple of files to import, it will take time.

I want this to be reasonably fast on my old Intel NUC from 2016 (Celeron N3050 @ 1.60GHz) and I already notice that the program startup takes about 95 ms (or 125 ms when there are no .pyc files yet). That’s still fine, but it shows that I’ll have to be careful and keep this thing very small …

Python 3.14 will bring lazy imports, maybe that can help in some cases.

I can track users’ feeds now

@prologic@twtxt.net I’d happily write API documentation for go.yarn.social/client

@movq@www.uninformativ.de the ‘writing a Yarn client’ thought goes all the way back to my ‘novaburst’ days in Yarn.social, but with the other pod apparently being gone, there’s no proof of it, except on everyone’s minds.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de That’s cool! I also like the name of your library. :-) I assume you made the thing load quickly, didn’t you?

@prologic@twtxt.net No, that’s Python/curses on Linux. 😅

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Is this on yout little toy OS? 🤔

Btw, @shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe, that’s a super cool logo on your yarnd. I like it a lot!

It just doesn’t look aligned properly: Could be a yarnd issue, though, it might not expect a logo this large. Just wildguessing, no idea.

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe Because you might not want to commit all changed files in a single commit. I very often make use of this and create several commits. In fact, I like to git add --patch to interactively select which parts of a file go in the next commit. This happens most likely when refactoring during a feature implementation or bug fix. I couldn’t live without that anymore. :-)

If you have a much more organized way of working where this does not come up, you can just git commit --all to include all changed files in the next commit without git adding them first. But new files still have to be git added manually once.

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe Do we now need ad filters in twtxt clients, too? O_o I hope not! Personally, I cannot stand the “Sent with my crappy $phone/$app” e-mail footers.

But congrats on your client. :-)

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe Yeah, they don’t truly support XDG. In fact, I looked in the Go stdlib source code to notice all the differences and shortcomings.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org You could always take a peek at the Go source

Posted from mikuru/0.0.3 @ NetBSD amd64

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org the funny thing about it? There’s os.UserCacheDir(), it seems that the Go devs hasn’t acknowledged the $XDG_DATA_DIR yet

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe Cool, I didn’t know about os.UserConfigDir() up until a few seconds ago! I always implemented that myself.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks! I’ll have a look at SnipMate. Currently, I’m (mis)using the abbreviation mechanism to expand a code snippet inplace, e.g.

autocmd FileType go inoreab <buffer> testfunc func Test(t *testing.T) {<CR>}<ESC>k0wwi

or this monstrosity:

autocmd FileType go inoreab <buffer> tabletest for _, tt := range []struct {<CR>    name string<CR><CR><BS>}{<CR>   {<CR>   name: "",<CR><BS>},<CR><BS>} {<CR>  t.Run(tt.name, func(t *testing.T) {<CR><CR>})<CR><BS>}<ESC>9ki<TAB>

But this of course has the disadvantage that I still have to remove the last space or tab to trigger the expansion by hand again. It’s a bit annoying, but better than typing it out by hand.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Vim 9 (script) From Outer Space

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Well, I used SnipMate years ago (until 2012). IIRC, it’s more than just “insert a bit of text here”, it can also jump to the correct next location(s) and stuff like that. Don’t remember why I stopped using it.

Then I used nothing for a long time. Just before Christmas, I made my own plugin (… of course …), which does everything I need at the moment (and nothing more).

It can insert simple templates and then jump to the next location:

https://movq.de/v/67cdf7c827/sisni%2Dpython.mp4

And replace a string after insertion:

https://movq.de/v/67cdf7c827/sisni%2Dheader.mp4

(It’s not public (yet?) and it also uses vim9script, so I guess it wouldn’t work on your system.)

@prologic@twtxt.net Debugging this stuff on bare metal hardware (without an underlying OS) is a nightmare. 🤣

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yeah. I had that in my Python implementation and was really missing that.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I see. Yeah, all the Unicode stuff certainly doesn’t help here, that’s for sure.

Maybe “speedcurses” could be a name. Or just select any Palatinate curse. ;-)

@prologic@twtxt.net Oh yeah, I bet it is horrible to troubleshoot.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org That sounds useful. 🤔

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I’m toying with the idea of making a widget/window system on top of Python’s ncurses. I’ve never really been happy with the existing ones (like urwid, textual, pytermgui, …). I mean, they’re not horrible, it’s mostly the performance that’s bugging me – I don’t want to wait an entire second for a terminal program to start up.

Not sure if I’ll actually see it through, though. Unicode makes this kind of thing extremely hard. 🫤

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Bwahaha. 🤣

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I can tell you this right now, writing assembly / machine code is fucking hard work™ 😓 I’m sure @movq@www.uninformativ.de can affirm 🤣 And when it all goes to shit™ (which it does often), man is debugging fucking hard as hell! Without debug symbols I can’t use the regular tools like lldb or gdb 😂

@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah, the parser part is what I typically enjoy. Haven’t really looked into code generation itself.

I’m currently looking at your µ commits from the last few days. Holy cow! :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah I remember you said some days back that your interest in compilers was rekindled by my work on mu (µ) 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net Tada, congratulations! I find that rather interesting, thanks for telling us. :-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de How about “Quongsi”? I generated the first five letters with pwgen --no-capitalize --no-numerals 5 and since that already showed up in DDG search results, I simply appended the last two, which yielded nothing on DDG and Google).

What kind of project is it? Maybe we can help you find a name or nudge you in the right direction.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org True !

@prologic@twtxt.net In my opinion, the integrity isn’t lost. The same input data always result in the same output hash, no matter when you calculate the hashes. It’s true that a corrupt database contents yields to corrupt hashes, but then you have a whole bigger problem than just receiving different hashes. :-D

@zvava@twtxt.net By hashing definition, if you edit your message, it simply becomes a new message. It’s just not the same message anymore. At least from a technical point of view. As a human, personally I disagree, but that’s what I’m stuck with. There’s no reliable way to detect and “correct” for that.

Storing the hash in your database doesn’t prevent you from switching to another hashing implementation later on. As of now, message creation timestamps earlier than some magical point in time use twt hash v1, messages on or after that magical timestamp use twt hash v2. So, a message either has a v1 or a v2 hash, but not both. At least one of them is never meaningful.

Once you “upgrade” your database schema, you can check for stored messages from the future which should have been hashed using v2, but were actually v1-hashed and simply fix them.

If there will ever be another addressing scheme, you could reuse the existing hash column if it supersedes the v1/v2 hashes. Otherwise, a new column might be useful, or perhaps no column at all (looking at location-based addressing or how it was called). The old v1/v2 hashes are still needed for all past conversation trees.

In my opinion, always recalculating the hashes is a big waste of time and energy. But if it serves you well, then go for it.

@zvava@twtxt.net The problem you now then is you lose integrity of the message content if you compute the hashes at runtime rather than on the way in. So if your message content or database becomes corrupt in any way, so do your hashes.

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@prologic@twtxt.net Take 2

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org packaging yarnd wasn’t that easy after all, I also apparently have to patch some things over and supply the minified assets some way or another

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe The CSS 404ing highlights the improvability of the content to noise ratio. :-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de The asshats are everywhere. Luckily, it has been rather quiet so far. But of course, I now jinxed it.

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe Very cool! 😎

@prologic@twtxt.net next in line: saltyd, yarnc, and other stuff I host

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe Nice! 👍

https://gt.kalli.st/novaburst/pkgsrc/commit/a1cc81dd354e14b7c4ded65ec53a12eca9e35cf0

@prologic@twtxt.net

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks! 🙏

@prologic@twtxt.net This is a really cool project, that’s for sure. 👌

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org … I was about to write “it really is worse where you live”, then I heard the first bang out on the street. 🤣

@shinyoukai@neko.laidback.moe Nah it’s more like there’s a lot of repeated code, because when you go from source language to intermediate representation to machine code, well you just end up writing a lot of the same patterns over and over again. I need to dedupe this I think.

@kiwu@twtxt.net Ooof 😢 That’s rough!

@prologic@twtxt.net code generation on demand or something?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I’ve managed to bring a simple “Hello World!” in mu (µ) (at least on macOS / Darwin / ARM64) down to ~86KB (previously ~146KB) 🥳

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I think I can get binaries even smaller with a bit more work and effort 🤔 But yeah still working on the native code generation (at least for macOS targets)