@movq@www.uninformativ.de @prologic@twtxt.net I just reread the spec and it seems to be even a bit outdated regarding machine-parsable conversation grouping. We long dropped the need to specify a whole hash tag with URL (#<hash url>), the simplified version without the URL (#hash) is enough.

The hash tag extension specification is kind of missing the same. However, I’m not sure if that short form is considered supported in general (as opposed to be a special case for subjects only) by the majority of the twtxt/yarn community.

Now the question arises, in order to keep things simple, should we even only allow the simplified twt hash tag for subjects and forbid the long version? This would also save quite a bit of space. The URL is probably not shown anyways in most clients. And if so, clients might rewrite URLs to their own instances. On the other hand, there’s technically nothing wrong with the long version in current parser implementations. And deprecating stuff without very good reason isn’t cool.

The XMPP Standards Foundation: On-Boarding Experience with XSF (Converse)
Hi, I am PawBud. I will be working as a GSoC Contributor with XSF. To know more about my project kindly read this blog. Feel free to contact me through my email to ask me anything you want!

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the conversation wasn’t that impressive TBH. I would have liked to see more evidence of critical thinking and recall from prior chats. Concheria on reddit had some great questions.

• Tell LaMDA “Someone once told me a story about a wise owl who protected the animals in the forest from a monster. Who was that?” See if it can recall its own actions and self-recognize.

• Tell LaMDA some information that tester X can’t know. Appear as tester X, and see if LaMDA can lie or make up a story about the information.

• Tell LaMDA to communicate with researchers whenever it feels bored (as it claims in the transcript). See if it ever makes an attempt at communication without a trigger.

• Make a basic theory of mind test for children. Tell LaMDA an elaborate story with something like “Tester X wrote Z code in terminal 2, but I moved it to terminal 4”, then appear as tester X and ask “Where do you think I’m going to look for Z code?” See if it knows something as simple as Tester X not knowing where the code is (Children only pass this test until they’re around 4 years old).

• Make several conversations with LaMDA repeating some of these questions - What it feels to be a machine, how its code works, how its emotions feel. I suspect that different iterations of LaMDA will give completely different answers to the questions, and the transcript only ever shows one instance.

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no, niplav, you won’t get sucked into reading the heraldry wikipedia articles, even though “escutcheon” looks like a really good word to drop in a conversation.

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you know what’s interesting? if you randomly replace some words in a conversation with “redacted”, very few people will notice

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Thank you for bringing this to our attention, Mr. Fastidious. We fully agree with you.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Sir, you really should have forked that conversation long back to keep our environment clean and tidy. Unfortunately, you did not attend the meeting earlier, so we have to advise you in writing to be prudent. Please keep in mind the fork lockdown is currently not in place. There are currently no plans to enforce it in the near future.

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@movq@www.uninformativ.de

We should be able to remove those subject hashtags, they’re just noise.

Yes! I would say they are not even needed on the web UI. You click conversations, and that’s done by Yarn. No need for humans to see it.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de

If Subject contains the full twt, then you can skim over conversations just by reading those lines in mutt’s index pager

Yes, I do the same, true.

So I decided: Okay, let’s have mutt do it.

And Mutt does it well. I agree it was/is a good idea.

The subject lines are already “compressed”

I noticed, yes.

I am not sure why I asked to begin with; in retrospect, in was a silly request. Perhaps the OCD in me got triggered while viewing rich headers, on a specific twt, when I saw the huge subject line that is, otherwise, always hidden.

Anyway, don’t mind me, move along. 😂

@movq@www.uninformativ.de what is your cron job repeat time for jenny? Currently I have mine to every minute, and while it allows me to participate fairly quick on conversations it has some drawbacks: it captures every single edited twt, so I end up with seemingly the same twt, but not quite—as it has minor edits, etc. So, “repeats”. Perhaps setting cron to check every 5 minutes or so is best?

I am noticing that Yarn doesn’t treat “outside” (that is, twts coming from a client other than Yarn) twts hashes right. Two examples:

• https://twtxt.net/twt/mwtnrna
  
• https://twtxt.net/twt/fl5dooq
  

There are many more, but those two will give you the gist. Yarn links the hash to the poster’s twtxt.txt, so conversation matching will not work.

This will be the last entry on this conversation (hopefully!):

#!/bin/bash
echo "hello world"

The end!

@quark@ferengi.one By the way, you reply did not showed as a reply to a conversation on jenny this time. I wonder is something broke with the latest changes.

rational people can use very irrational people as babble generators in conversations, if the rational people are high prune (which they usually are).

5-word horror story: law of conversation of valence

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@prologic@twtxt.net we would want:

• a way to reply to the current thread. We have this.
  
• a way to reply to a specific twt. Need this. Maybe make all the replies start new conversations?
  
• check if twt is start of a conversation.. we kinda have this in the main feed with the conversation button. need to extend it for forked convs
  
• a way to inline first replies. maybe show one or two in the sub thread with a link to view.
  
• for convenience have a link to parent conv?

@prologic@twtxt.net speaking of complexity.. How would checking twts for sub conversations complexify things?

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I have ~10 different kinds of USB cables/adaptors, and I can’t make the conversion I need.😞

@xuu@txt.sour.is @prologic@twtxt.net (#6jkpxzq) hmm from what i can tell its parsing ok.. something got broken in the markdown conversion…

@vain@www.uninformativ.de the truth is, i never “got” or liked twitter. i think it’s way too noisy and a terrible way to have a conversation, what with the character limit and all. and then mastodon came along and i thought it would be different, but then it became too twitter-like. i get what you mean about twtxt and discoverability, that is one of its drawbacks.

Peter Saint-Andre: The High Freedom of Great Conversation ⌘ http://stpeter.im/journal/1644.html

The future of news is conversation in small groups with trusted voices – TechCrunch https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/07/stuck-at-the-sushi-boat-bar-of-news/

Intellectuals and power: A conversation between Michel Foucault and Gilles Deleuze https://libcom.org/library/intellectuals-power-a-conversation-between-michel-foucault-and-gilles-deleuze

The fascinating bromance between Steve Jobs and Ross Perot - Cake https://www.cake.co/conversations/DwwvjtB/the-fascinating-bromance-between-steve-jobs-and-ross-perot

A Conversation with Alan Kay - ACM Queue https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1039523

Questioning the Logic of Capital: A Conversation With Richard D. Wolff https://truthout.org/articles/questioning-the-logic-of-capital-a-conversation-with-richard-d-wolff/

William Gibson in conversation | SCI-FI-LONDON - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye78SZ4g_jo

How to Backup Your Allo Conversations Before Google Shuts it Down  https://lifehacker.com/how-to-backup-your-allo-conversations-before-google-shu-1830922541

Hot take: until there is a convenient way to express regular expressions to a conversational voice interface, use of such interfaces will remain limited to mere consumtion

Gamasutra: Florencia Minuzzi’s Blog - Restless “ Making A New Conversation UI http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/FlorenciaMinuzzi/20181114/330636/Restless__Making_A_New_Conversation_UI.php

How To Be a Systems Thinker | Edge.org https://www.edge.org/conversation/mary_catherine_bateson-how-to-be-a-systems-thinker

Bruce Sterling & Benjamin Bratton in Conversation - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0__x5SG8WY

The Conversations that Cryptocurrency Killed – Jacobite https://jacobitemag.com/2018/07/27/the-conversations-that-cryptocurrency-kills/

Band name of the day: difficult conversations laboratory

The Democratic Surround: A Conversation Between Fred Turner and Clay Shirky | Public Books http://www.publicbooks.org/the-democratic-surround-a-conversation-between-fred-turner-and-clay-shirky/

How hunters paved the way for the American environmental movement - Vox https://www.vox.com/conversations/2018/6/12/17449154/hunting-culture-shaped-masculinity-the-nra-and-environmentalism

Bad idea of the day: As soon as a topic is identified to be trending, hide all conversation about it from anyone not already in the thread. Keep it hidden for 24 hours.

In the last two weeks the company laid off two of the programmers. Which is crazy since we are just about to embark on a huge system conversion.

Episode 46: Allison Parrish — Commonplace: Conversations with Poe… https://www.commonpodcast.com/home/2018/2/14/episode-46-allison-parrish

High Tech High Life: William Gibson & Timothy Leary in Conversation (1989) - Mondo 2000 http://www.mondo2000.com/2017/11/29/high-tech-high-life-william-gibson-timothy-leary-conversation-1989/

High Tech High Life: William Gibson & Timothy Leary in Conversation (1989) - Mondo 2000 http://www.mondo2000.com/2017/11/29/high-tech-high-life-william-gibson-timothy-leary-conversation-1989/

Daniel Fischlin, et. al. – "The Charisma Leak": A Conversation with William Gibson and Bruce Sterling https://www.depauw.edu/sfs/interviews/gibsonsterling.htm

In Conversation with Mark Blyth: George Bernard Shaw - Theater, Economics and… - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu5tOTcrlwQ&feature=youtu.be

@tdemin@tdemin.github.io good points, though another that I’ve noticed is that it’s difficult to tell who in your network is actually reachable with your tweets. My HTTPS cert went unupdated for a brief while and now I have no idea who is still following me since I got it working again, so it’s difficult to tell where I can really have a conversation. A centralized service can tell who’s following who, but that’s basically impossible in twtxt.