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@bender@twtxt.net All good. āļø Itās just that Iāve been through several iterations of this (on other platforms), AI output back and forth, pointing out whatās wrong, but in the end people were just trolling (not saying thatās what you had in mind), because apparently thatās āfunā.
⦠and now I just read @bender@twtxt.netās other post that said the Gemini text was a shortened version, so I might have criticized things that werenāt true for the full version. Okay, sorry, Iām out. (And I wonāt play that game, either. Donāt send me another AI output, possibly tweaked to address my criticism. That is besides the point and not worth my time.)
@prologic@twtxt.net Letās go through it one by one. Hereās a wall of text that took me over 1.5 hours to write.
The criticism of AI as untrustworthy is a problem of misapplication, not capability.This section says AI should not be treated as an authority. This is actually just what I said, except the AI phrased/framed it like it was a counter-argument.
The AI also said that users must develop āAI literacyā, again phrasing/framing it like a counter-argument. Well, that is also just what I said. I said you should treat AI output like a random blog and you should verify the sources, yadda yadda. That is āAI literacyā, isnāt it?
My text went one step further, though: I said that when you take this requirement of āAI literacyā into account, you basically end up with a fancy search engine, with extra overhead that costs time. The AI missed/ignored this in its reply.
Okay, so, the AI also said that you should use AI tools just for drafting and brainstorming. Granted, a very rough draft of something will probably be doable. But then you have to diligently verify every little detail of this draft ā okay, fine, a draft is a draft, itās fine if it contains errors. The thing is, though, that you really must do this verification. And I claim that many people will not do it, because AI outputs look sooooo convincing, they donāt feel like a draft that needs editing.
Can you, as an expert, still use an AI draft as a basis/foundation? Yeah, probably. But hereās the kicker: You did not create that draft. You were not involved in the āthought processā behind it. When you, a human being, make a draft, you often think something like: āOkay, I want to draw a picture of a landscape and thereās going to be a little house, but for now, Iāll just put in a rough sketch of the house and add the details later.ā You are aware of what you left out. When the AI did the draft, you are not aware of whatās missing ā even more so when every AI output already looks like a final product. For me, personally, this makes it much harder and slower to verify such a draft, and I mentioned this in my text.
Skill Erosion vs. Skill EvolutionYou, @prologic@twtxt.net, also mentioned this in your car tyre example.
In my text, I gave two analogies: The gym analogy and the Google Translate analogy. Your car tyre example falls in the same category, but Geminiās calculator example is different (and, again, gaslight-y, see below).
What I meant in my text: A person wants to be a programmer. To me, a programmer is a person who writes code, understands code, maintains code, writes documentation, and so on. In your example, a person who changes a car tyre would be a mechanic. Now, if you use AI to write the code and documentation for you, are you still a programmer? If you have no understanding of said code, are you a programmer? A person who does not know how to change a car tyre, is that still a mechanic?
No, youāre something else. You should not be hired as a programmer or a mechanic.
Yes, that is āskill evolutionā ā which is pretty much my point! But the AI framed it like a counter-argument. It didnāt understand my text.
(But what if thatās our future? What if all programming will look like that in some years? I claim: Itās not possible. If you donāt know how to program, then you donāt know how to read/understand code written by an AI. You are something else, but youāre not a programmer. It might be valid to be something else ā but that wasnāt my point, my point was that youāre not a bloody programmer.)
Geminiās calculator example is garbage, I think. Crunching numbers and doing mathematics (i.e., ācomplex problem-solvingā) are two different things. Just because you now have a calculator, doesnāt mean itāll free you up to do mathematical proofs or whatever.
What would have worked is this: Letās say youāre an accountant and you sum up spendings. Without a calculator, this takes a lot of time and is error prone. But when you have one, you can work faster. But once again, thereās a little gaslight-y detail: A calculator is correct. Yes, it could have ābugsā (hello Intel FDIV), but its design actually properly calculates numbers. AI, on the other hand, does not understand a thing (our current AI, that is), itās just a statistical model. So, this modified example (āaccountant with a calculatorā) would actually have to be phrased like this: Suppose thereās an accountant and you give her a magic box that spits out the correct result in, what, I donāt know, 70-90% of the time. The accountant couldnāt rely on this box now, could she? Sheād either have to double-check everything or accept possibly wrong results. And that is how I feel like when I work with AI tools.
Gemini has no idea that its calculator example doesnāt make sense. It just spits out some generic āargumentā that it picked up on some website.
3. The Technical and Legal Perspective (Scraping and Copyright)The AI makes two points here. The first one, I might actually agree with (ābad bot behavior is not the fault of AI itselfā).
The second point is, once again, gaslighting, because it is phrased/framed like a counter-argument. It implies that I said something which I didnāt. Like the AI, I said that you would have to adjust the copyright law! At the same time, the AI answer didnāt even question whether itās okay to break the current law or not. It just said ālol yeah, change the lawsā. (I wonder in what way the laws would have to be changed in the AIās āopinionā, because some of these changes could kill some business opportunities ā or the laws would have to have special AI clauses that only benefit the AI techbros. But I digress, that wasnāt part of Geminiās answer.)
tl;drExcept for one point, I donāt accept any of Geminiās ācriticismā. It didnāt pick up on lots of details, ignored arguments, and I can just instinctively tell that this thing does not understand anything it wrote (which is correct, itās just a statistical model).
And it framed everything like a counter-argument, while actually repeating what I said. Thatās gaslighting: When Alice says āthe sky is blueā and Bob replies with āwhy do you say the sky is purple?!ā
But it sure looks convincing, doesnāt it?
Never againThis took so much of my time. I wonāt do this again. š
@prologic@twtxt.net when I first āfedā the text to Gemini, I asked for a three paragraphs summary. It provided it. Then I asked to āelaborate on three areas: user experience, moral/political impact, and technical/legal concernsā. The reply to that is too long for a twtxt.
I then asked to counter the OP opinionsāas in āhow would you counter the authorās opinion?ā. The reply was very long, but started like this:
āThatās an excellent question, as the post lays out some very strong, well-reasoned criticisms. Countering these points requires acknowledging the valid concerns while presenting a perspective focused on mitigation, responsible integration, and the unique benefits of AI.ā
What followed was extensive, so I asked for a summary, which didnāt do justice to the wall of text that preceded it.
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And, one last missed:
- AI is Forcing Legal Modernization: The copyright double standard is a failure of outdated law. AI provides the necessary impetus for legal reform to either create fair compensation frameworks for creators or establish a clear new definition of fair use for data-driven models.
@movq@www.uninformativ.de Gemini liked your opinion very much. Here is how it countered:
1. The User Perspective (Untrustworthiness)The criticism of AI as untrustworthy is a problem of misapplication, not capability.
- AI as a Force Multiplier: AI should be treated as a high-speed drafting and brainstorming tool, not an authority. For experts, it offers an immense speed gain, shifting the work from slow manual creation to fast critical editing and verification.
- The Rise of AI Literacy: Users must develop a new skillāAI literacyāto critically evaluate and verify AIās probabilistic output. This skill, along with improving citation features in AI tools, mitigates the āgaslightingā effect.
The fear of skill loss is based on a misunderstanding of how technology changes the nature of work; itās skill evolution, not erosion.
- Shifting Focus to High-Level Skills: Just as the calculator shifted focus from manual math to complex problem-solving, AI shifts the focus from writing boilerplate code to architectural design and prompt engineering. It handles repetitive tasks, freeing humans for creative and complex challenges.
- Accessibility and Empowerment: AI serves as a powerful democratizing tool, offering personalized tutoring and automation to people who lack deep expertise. While dependency is a risk, this accessibility empowers a wider segment of the population previously limited by skill barriers.
The legal and technical flaws are issues of governance and ethical practice, not reasons to reject the core technology.
- Need for Better Bot Governance: Destructive scraping is a failure of ethical web behavior and can be solved with better bot identification, rate limits, and protocols (like enhanced
robots.txt). The solution is to demand digital citizenship from AI companies, not to stop AI development.
For the innocent bystanders (because I know that I wonāt change @bender@twtxt.netās opinion):
curl -s gopher://uninformativ.de/0/phlog/2025/2025-11/2025-11-05--my-current-reasons-against-ai.txt
@prologic@twtxt.net Nothing, yet. It was sent in written form. Thereās probably little point in fighting this, they have made up their minds already (and AI is being rolled up en masse in other departments), but on the other hand, there are ā truthfully ā very few areas where AI could actually be useful to me.
There are going to be many discussions about this ā¦
This is completely against the āspiritā of this company, btw. We used to say: āItās the goal that matters. Use whatever tools you think are appropriate.ā Thatās why Iām allowed to use Linux on my laptop. Maybe they will back down eventually when they realize that trying to push this on people is pointless. Maybe not.
It happened.
Management asked me if Iām using enough AI and what Iām doing to learn more about it.
@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Theyāre seriously telling us at work: āCan it be AIād? Do it, donāt waste time!ā Shit like that is the result. (Whatās this weird gray triangle in the bottom right corner?)
@prologic@twtxt.net Ah, I see. Yeah, you might be right. (Still a fragile process due to the general AI wonkiness, but it can help to some degree, yes.)
Hmmm š§ Iām annectodaly not convinced so-called āAIā(s) really save timeā¢. ā I have no proof though, I would need to do some concrete studies / numbers⦠ā But, there is one benefit⦠It can save you from typing and from worsening RSI / Carpal Tunnel.
It happened.
āCan you help me debug this program? I vibe coded it and I have no idea whatās going on. I had no choice ā learning this new language and frameworks would have taken ages, and I have severe time constraints.ā
Did I say ānoā? Of course not, Iām a ānice guyā. So Iām at fault as well, because I endorsed this whole thing. The other guy is also guilty, because he didnāt communicate clearly to his boss what can be done and how much time it takes. And the boss and his bosses are guilty a lot, because theyāre all pushing for āAIā.
The end result is garbage software.
This particular project is still relatively small, so it might be okay at the moment. But normalizing this will yield nothing but garbage. And actually, especially if this small project works out fine, this contributes to the shittiness because management will interpret this as āhey, AI worksā, so they will keep asking for it in future projects.
How utterly frustrating. This is not what I want to do every day from now on.
How about no longer using in-browser Git repo viewers? Make the AI bots do the work and actually clone the repo.
@movq@www.uninformativ.de Interesting, yes. I didnāt know that.
No AI being used is really great. However, the same clips shown over and over again and some images being mirrored was quite annoying to me. Also, there were some quite terrible computer animations and sometimes the narration and picture didnāt match at all. Talking about the medieval period and then showing an image from the 18th hundred or so. What the heck?
These production issues made me sceptical pretty much early on. So I quickly crosschecked Wikipedia. But it seems spot on from what Iāve read. Very good. Also, the narratorās voice was really nice to listen to.
Eels are fascinating creatures. :-)
Hmm, gnu.org is slow as heck. Shorter HTML pages load in about ten seconds. This complete AWK manual all in one large HTML page took a full minute: https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/gawk.html Is there maybe some anti AI shenanigans going on?
In any case, I find the user guide super interesting. My AWK skills are basically non-existent, so I finally decided to change that. This document is incredibly well written and makes it really fun to keep reading and learning. Iām very impressed. So far, I made it to section 1.6, happy to continue.
@prologic@twtxt.net Iām doing that now as well, but I donāt think this is a good solution. This is going to hurt āself-hostingā in the long run: I cannot afford true self-hosting where I actually do host everything here at home ā instead, I must use a cloud provider / VPS for that. It is only a matter of time until my provider starts doing AI shit as well (or rather, the customers do it) and then what? I get blocked, e.g. I canāt send email to (some) people anymore. This is already bad and itās going to get worse.
Hahaha, how funny is that!? The Dunning-Kruger effect research was sparked off by two bank robbers who rubbed lemon juice in their faces as this makes them invisible, just like invisible ink. :ā-D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Greater_Pittsburgh_bank_robberies
I now imagine all these AI wankers with lemon juice in their faces.
āBut all your stuff is MIT licensed! They are allowed to do that!ā
Haha. As if they would care. They crawl everything they get their hands on.
Besides, thatās not true, the license states that the copyright notice must be retained. āAIā breaks that. They incorporate my code and my articles in their product and make it appear as if it was their work.
Why do I care about this?
- The load will become a problem at some point.
- These crawlers and the current āAIā in general are breaking the rules. I am supposed to be paying for every little thing, I get sued for āpiracyā. But apparently, these rules only apply to me. If I had more money, I could break them. Fuck that.
- I simply donāt want it. Period.
@thecanine@twtxt.net We donāt use Microsoft at work ā but similar products of other big companies. Theyāre all doing the same. The core product gets worse and worse, because they focus so much on vomiting āAIā over everything.
It will die down eventually. I hope.
Another wave of tens of thousands of hints by the same bot on the same file:
https://movq.de/v/61f8d39d2f/s.png
Thereās probably a simple explanation for this: Maybe this bot was written with āAIā and itās simply complete garbage.
This isnāt a serious threat for my low-profile website ā yet. Canāt wait for this to get worse ā¦
Nuke it from orbit: https://www.aaron.ai/
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the doctors have started using AI voice agents and they understand jack shit. ššš
AI this, AI that.
Tech is no longer interesting. I need to find a new field.
Iāve been playing around with AI at home over the past few months and building my own neural networks from scratch (in Go) with genetic algorithms
Oh, is that all š¤£
That sounds like some intensive āplaying aroundā haha
@eldersnake@we.loveprivacy.club Yeah for sure! The thing that annoys me about a lot of this, is the sheer fact you canāt really self-host let alone self-train these things Iāve been playing around with AI at home over the past few months and building my own neural networks from scratch (in Go) with genetic algorithms on a few tasks and training sets, but man itās hard⢠𤣠I feel like weāre doing something wrong hereā¦
How you can tell a āreview postā on some random website was written by AI?
Ergonomically nicer than its binocular counterpart
How exactly is this a reason to avoid?! š¤¦āāļø
@movq@www.uninformativ.de I think itās here on MITās website: Your Brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of Cognitive Debt when Using an AI Assistant for Essay Writing Task š¤
FFS! Canāt I just get results, accurate no BS results? No erroneous/misleading AI-Slop of a summary Iāve never asked for ? I get it, there is plenty of people who LOooove (if not worship) that shit, Good for them! But at least make it opt-in or add in some kind of āDo Not Slopā browser option (as if the āDo Not Trackā one made a difference, but I digress). Shitās only going down-hill from here, I might as well as just spin up my own Searx instance and call it a day.
Soooo very very close! š

On my blog: Generative AI Wish List https://john.colagioia.net/blog/2025/06/08/ai-wish-list.html #artificialintelligence #harm #rant
Again, I was simply pointing out that, if he used AI to correct misspellings, and improve grammar, then this isnāt true:
āThis post was written entirely by a human, with no assistance from AI. (Other than spell- and grammar-checking.)ā
@thecanine@twtxt.net right. Spell checkers are not AI. Full grammar checking, and correction? That one I have not seeing, but on AI. So, what I meant was, let the grammar gaffes show; we type as we speak (most of the time). About spelling mistakes, well, let them be corrected as we have done since 1971(?).
@prologic@twtxt.net to err is human, to forgive is divine, right? I say let us err, and forgive. My grammatical errors make me me. Misspellings? Well, we need no stinky AI for that!
@prologic@twtxt.net Dustinās last sentence on that post:
āThis post was written entirely by a human, with no assistance from AI. (Other than spell- and grammar-checking.)ā
Is it true that it was written āentirely by a humanā then? Pfff.