@xuu@txt.sour.is I think I also ran into CSRF problems with multiple open yarnd tabs in the past.

@xuu@txt.sour.is Ah, it was JS then. Thanks. :-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Okay, cool. :-) I’ll look at Mutt this year. I have the feeling I might like it after some initial pain.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org The one in question is more like the javascript version for unwrapping errors when accessing methods.

 const value = some?.deeply?.nested?.object?.value

but for handling errors returned by methods. So if you wanted to chain a bunch of function calls together and if any error return immediately. It would be something like this:

b:= SomeAPIWithErrorsInAllCalls()
b.DoThing1() ?
b.DoThing2() ?

// Though its not in the threads I assume one could do like this to chain.
b.Chain1()?.Chain2()?.End()?

I am however infavor of having a sort of ternary ? in go.

PS. @prologic@twtxt.net for some reason this is eating my response without throwing an error :( I assume it has something to do with the CSRF. Can i not have multiple tabs open with yarn?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Fingers crossed! :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yyyyyyyes, but I don’t think/hope that’s related. That’s the last thing I need. 😂 I’m hoping it’s just crashed routers at the ISP or something like that.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Mutt, since … 2008, I think. 😅

@thecanine@twtxt.net It’s always nice to look at your creations.

The impossible happened, and I actually drew something, second month in a row. Wanted to try drawing him standing, with some semblance of correct anatomy, without heavily referencing someone elses drawing, bring back the collar, darker “hair” and separate every different color, with a black line - for some kind of a more simplified look.

Oh yeah, @aelaraji@aelaraji.com, electrostatic cat fur to the rescue! :-D

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org would it work wit cats instead? there has been a whole flock of them in the neighborhood the last couple of days, one female and a gazillion males taking turns 😅 … at least they’d be good for something other than their non-stop after midnight opera 😂

@prologic@twtxt.net Which one? I don’t mind the ternary operator at all. In fact, I often find myself missing it in Go. I don’t find the two alternatives particularly elegant:

foo := "eggs"
if bar {
    foo = "spam"
}

Or:

var foo string
if bar {
    foo = "spam"
} else {
    foo = "eggs"
}

To my eye, this just would look a lot nicer:

foo := bar ? "spam" : "eggs"

Or at least as the Pythons do it:

foo = "spam" if bar else "eggs"

The ternary operator especially shines with relatively short expressions.

@arne@uplegger.eu Ohjemine, TYPO3! O_o Lass mich schreiend davonlaufen!

Mit dieser absoluten Katastrophensoftware vor dem Herrn haben wir mal ein Studienprojekt gemacht. Die hat alle Vorurteile komplett übererfüllt. Angefangen von Fehlerseiten, die statt 4xx oder dergleichen immer mit HTTP 200 ausgeliefert wurden oder auch, dass das generierte HTML leider einfach ungültig war. Über die Implementierung von Löschen durch einen Deleted-Schalter in der Datenbank, das Speichern von Passwörtern im Klartext bis hin zu völlig umständlichen Bedienungskonzepten. Alles hat immer brutal viele Schritte gebraucht. Das Zeilennummernrumgeeier im TYPO-Script erinnerte eher an Basic. Uns kam es auch so vor, als ob man damit nicht ernsthaft was sinnvolles machen könnte.

Zu allem Überfluss hatte irgendwer noch ein ganz hundsmiserables Buch ausgegraben, das als Vorbereitung dienen sollte. Ich kann mich zum Glück weder an den Titel noch den Autor erinnern, aber ich weiß noch, wie das komplett inkonsistent geschrieben war. Anfangs gabs mehrere Seiten zu Unicode und UTF-8 wurde angepriesen, aber alle Beispiele haben dann auf ISO-8859-1 gesetzt. Gezeigter Beispielcode war häufig unterste Schublade. Selten hab ich so merkwürdige Erklärungen gelesen: „Wenn Sie die Sicherheitswarnhinweise stören, kommentieren Sie doch bitte im Quelltext die die()-Funktion in $ZEILE aus.“ Oder ein anderer Klassiker: „Ausgeschrieben würde der Code wohl folgendes tun…“. War sich der Autor also nicht ganz sicher, ob sein Codeschnipsel vllt. doch in Wahrheit was ganz anderes tut.

Seit diesem gigantischen Trauma (das hat mich wirklich sehr nachhaltig geprägt, wie man Dinge nicht machen sollte) hab ich erfolgreich einen Bogen um das TYPO3-Universum gemacht.

Ich kann nur hoffen, dass es zwischenzeitlich ein wenig besser geworden ist. Aber Deinem Kurzbericht zufolge scheint da ja immer noch der Wurm drin zu sein. Mein Beileid! :-(

@movq@www.uninformativ.de That’s an interesting setup! What MUA do you use?

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@movq@www.uninformativ.de So, the building renovation finally started?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks this is good to digest 👌

Rats! @aelaraji@aelaraji.com, you need an emergency hamster and a wheel attached to a bicycle dynamo…

Fingers crossed that this doesn’t happen a third time today.

@prologic@twtxt.net I know the feeling. 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net Hmm, my workflow looks like this:

• My public server receives mail.
  
• Either my desktop PC or my laptop fetches new mail (via mpop) into a maildir.
  
• That maildir gets synced to other machines via unison (I used Git for that purpose for 13 years, unison is a bit faster).
  

Sending mail works similarly:

• One of my machines sends mail (via msmtp) and stores it in the maildir.
  
• unison syncs that to other machines.
  

What I like about that is that I don’t have to keep the mail files on my server. If my server crashes (never happened so far), I can upload a new blank OpenBSD image and use config management to set it up. I actually don’t make backups of my mailserver/webserver. 😅

Regarding IMAP, well, I don’t actively dislike it (other than our server at work being very, very slow, but that’s probably not IMAP’s fault). It’s more that I don’t have a need for it. 🤔

If people just wrote error free code to begin with, there would be no need for error handling! :-P

No, honestly, I don’t think that there is anything wrong with the current approach. I don’t see any wins of any of the proposals I’ve come across.

PS: Please forgive me. I’m just being a really grumpy bastarda the last couple of days. I’m really not having a lot of fun this past week 😢

@xuu@txt.sour.is And you’re right, it only really saves a single line. I think I’ve even commented on a similar discussion a few years ago as well where I showed concretely the abrustdity of the community wanting to change this. If I recall, the whole pattern of:

if err != nil {
    ...
}

basically accounts for <1-3% of your codebase in the first place.

The entire thing (fuss) is really just pathetic IMO.

@xuu@txt.sour.is I’m not necessarily saying it is to be bluntly honest. But it’s far better than this ? garbage. I don’t want to be rude, but honestly wtf is wrong with people and making languages harder to read?! 🤦‍♂️

hmm this would convert down to:

var f os.File
if f, e = os.Open("foo.txt"); e != nil {
    log.Fatal("error opening file; %s", e)
}

im not sure if its much better.

I want to propose my own counter-proposal to the discussion that’s ongoing with Go and error handling.

Here it is: https://docs.mills.io/ix4qDHMnQUSPxZ5tXz12Vg?view

It’s very rough and needs much more work, but essentially I want to propose the following change to the language’s grammar:

f := os.Open("foo.txt") or (e error) {
    log.Fatal("error opening file; %s", e)
}

Second power outage since this morning! yeeeey 🥳 I’m not mad at all … not even a little bit. might end up throwing a monitor out tha window for sports, but no, it doesn’t mean that I’m mad… Nooooo, we’re all Gucci over here 🧟

@skinshafi@thunix.net Haha 😆

🕯️😰

The purpose of this paper is to characterize simple sabotage, to outline its possible effects, and to present suggestions for inciting and executing it.

Sabotage varies from highly technical coup de main acts that require detailed planning and the use of specially-trained operatives, to innumerable simple acts which the ordinary individual citizen-saboteur can perform. This paper is primarily concerned with the latter type. Simple sabotage does not require specially prepared tools or equipment; it is executed by an ordinary citizen who may or may not act individually and without the necessity for active connection with an organized group; and it is carried out in such a way as to involve a minimum danger of injury, detection, and reprisal.

You scared me! 🤣

@skinshafi@thunix.net Argggg! 😱

Bo! 👻

yes it is! although, I’ve only used it to send files and links back and fourth between devices xD none of my relatives wanted to give it a try, which is kinda fair enough (I wouldn’t use WhatsApp if they asked) xD

@doesnm.p.psf.lt@doesnm.p.psf.lt Huh? 🤔 I’m curious to what other features you’d want from a messaging app! Also, you can easily send in a couple of feature requests, the dev is pretty receptive 👌

Just leaving this book here for no reason 🤫

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Interesting… 🧐 Can you elaborate on why and your workflows? 🙏

I’m not a fan of IMAP (I don’t want my server to create/keep data)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Ita a terrible operator that makes code hard
Yo read as @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz difhtidu points out 😆

So glad I decided to move my project’s off GitHub 🤣

Oh the ****ing irony 🤣 with all the IP infringement AI models usually do, and the companies are like “nothing to see here”!

Reading “Man’s search for meaning” by Viktor E. Frankl

Yet another internet outage. Getting more and more of those. 😒

@arne@uplegger.eu Hahaha! :-D

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org FWIW, I’ve been using Martin Lambers’ mpop/msmtp for ages now without issues: https://marlam.de/

I’m not a fan of IMAP (I don’t want my server to create/keep data), but at work I use isync: https://isync.sourceforge.io/

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz You mean the ? as suffix for boolean returning functions or as ternary operator (condition ? true_value : false_value)?

Interestingly, I just had to look up the first case. I was under the wrong impression that the question mark at the end would be some shortcut for chained function or method calls that handles nil return values in a graceful way without actually dereferencing and thus crashing. I probably never wrote more than 30 lines of Ruby in my entire life. Must have been some other language.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Haha, I see. :-)

Even after fixing yesterday’s mail server TLS certificate renewal incident (main hostname was not included) my KMail did not want to receive e-mails anymore. I had to restart Akonadi now in order to make this work again. I really should look at mutt one day.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Do you use a config management system like Ansible or BundleWrap on your servers? (bw is our in-house solution, we started it around the same time as Ansible.)

Today I learned that Jordan Peterson got his start as a public figure answering questions on Quora 😆

i haven’t talked fandom here much let’s change that. i might re-run my DC comics ficathon again. i ran it late december through to the end of february last year and it was fun af even if it moved slowly. kinda wanna run it again but i don’t wanna have to promote it.

https://dchellparty.dreamwidth.org/633.html