Twtxt spec enhancement proposal thread 🧵

Adding attributes to individual twts similar to adding feed attributes in the heading comments.

https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/go-lextwt/pulls/17

The basic use case would be for multilingual feeds where there is a default language and some twts will be written a different language.

As seen in the wild: https://eapl.mx/twtxt.txt

The attributes are formatted as [key=value]

They can show up in the twt anywhere it is not enclosed by another element such as codeblock or part of a markdown link.

@eapl.me@eapl.me: [boost]

#repost @eapl.me@eapl.me:

Ha, this is cool. Has its flaws, although is easy to remember.

An RNG that runs in your brain

https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/randomness/

@eapl.me@eapl.me:

Ha, this is cool. Has its flaws, although is easy to remember.

An RNG that runs in your brain

https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/randomness/

Trying out a boost format. seems better with text after….

@eapl.me@eapl.me trying out a boost format.

Ha, this is cool. Has its flaws, although is easy to remember.

An RNG that runs in your brain

https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/randomness/

@sorenpeter@darch.dk this makes sense as a quote twt that references a direct URL. If we go back to how it developed on twitter originally it was RT @nick: original text because it contained the original text the twitter algorithm would boost that text into trending.

i like the format (#hash) @<nick url> > "Quoted text"\nThen a comment
as it preserves the human read able. and has the hash for linking to the yarn. The comment part could be optional for just boosting the twt.

The only issue i think i would have would be that that yarn could then become a mess of repeated quotes. Unless the client knows to interpret them as multiple users have reposted/boosted the thread.

The format is also how iphone does reactions to SMS messages with +number liked: original SMS

@eapl.me@eapl.me this is interesting. Is the square bracket something used in the wild for multilingual twts?

@prologic@twtxt.net what are your thoughts? Should we extend the parser to handle [lang] and [boost] ? Or a generic attribute spec. Single word is a boolean attribute. And one with an = is a string key/value.

What about using the blockquote format with > ?

Snippet from someone else’s post
by: @eapl.me@eapl.me

Would it not also make sense to have the repost be a reply to the original post using the (#twthash), and maybe using a tag like #repost so it eaier to filter them out?

@eapl.me@eapl.me kinda like the format for markdown images? ![alt](url 'title') ?

@New_scientist@feeds.twtxt.net Silicon Valley’s top AI models are terrible at almost everything. They only seem otherwise because people are easily fooled into believing they have capabilities they don’t have.

👋 Hello @ppu-prof_mn@anthony.buc.ci, welcome to Buccipod, a Yarn.social Pod! To get started you may want to check out the pod’s Discover feed to find users to follow and interact with. To follow new users, use the ⨁ Follow button on their profile page or use the Follow form and enter a Twtxt URL. You may also find other feeds of interest via Feeds. Welcome! 🤗

A cold beer and hanging out on twtxt, it doesn’t get much better

@prologic@twtxt.net nope.

@prologic@twtxt.net what?

@prologic@twtxt.net Congragulations on your fiber internet. Where I am there was fiber for at least 10 years now.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I have read the white papers for MLS before. I have put a lot of thought on how to do it with salty/ratchet. Its a very good tech for ensuring multiple devices can be joined to an encrypted chat. But it is bloody complicated to implement.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org i first learned about it from this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JxvKfSV9Ns&pp=ygUOZmlib25hY2NpIGhlYXA%3D

and this site: https://www.programiz.com/dsa/fibonacci-heap

👋 Hello @adanjanuzai@anthony.buc.ci, welcome to Buccipod, a Yarn.social Pod! To get started you may want to check out the pod’s Discover feed to find users to follow and interact with. To follow new users, use the ⨁ Follow button on their profile page or use the Follow form and enter a Twtxt URL. You may also find other feeds of interest via Feeds. Welcome! 🤗

@eaplme@eapl.me
Looks really interesting

@eaplme@eapl.me

Didn’t know of bytesypider and bytedance, I assume those are bots, although I no idea why they are pointing to that address to your site
https://wordpress.org/support/topic/psa-bytedance-and-bytespider-bots-recommend-blocking/
You gave me a good idea to block bytespider. Its just weird what it pulls in.

twtxt-php isn’t sending User-Agent headers as it’s in the original spec:
https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/discoverability.html
sending user agent would be a nice thing to have so that people using regular twtxt clients can find you and anyone else hosting twtxt-php or timeline

HTTP logs are annoying but webmention has an issue that it needs a server to check for webmentions. The server can be an external one or hosted on the same server as far as I can find.
But also HTTP logs need a server that one can view the logs.

@eaplme@eapl.me
I could try and host timetime it does look nice.

That part is missing on the Web side, there is a commented PHP code to do that
https://github.com/eapl-gemugami/twtxt-php/blob/master/libs/TOTP.php#L121
That code would end up generating an totp secret that I could put into the config?

Does it have a way to follow feeds from the web ui?
Yes, but you have to be logged in. Currently can only add URLs, not edit or unfollow.
How would I edit or unfollow?

That fit website would be nice to just genete a secret and put it into the .config and then using the totp code to login.

@prologic@twtxt.net What I did as a work around for mattermost was hijack the gitlab oauth login with my own auth server.

I’ve added myself to the registries at registry.twtxt.org and twtxt.tilde.institute. I wonder if there’s a list of registries. #meta

Huh. At some point, my twtxt-via-ssh shortcut from my phone stopped working. It does again now! I’ve changed nothing. Yay black boxes! 🤷🏻

@eaplme@eapl.me
Yarn could the twtxt I want more then regular twtxt. Though I do like not having to host a yarn pod.

That client looks really cool. A web client that connects to a regular twtxt without the need to host a full yarn pod for just one user and feed.
What is the difference between twtxt-php and timeline from sorenpeter? Does it have a way to follow feeds from the web ui?

I was looking at it and what prevents someone from downloading the .config file and getting the password? Also how would I generate a totp password to use?
I should try to host that it might be the right not a full on yarn pod but also can post from my phone.

The weird thing is in my server logs it shows that your site pulled in the useragent as https://eapl.me/twtxt/?url=https%3A//neotxt.dk/user/darch/twtxt.txt with bytesypider from bytedance? That sounds weird. Plus I can’t grep just twtxt in my logs and find your feed.

I am thinking about setting up a yarn instance. Twtxt is cool but it would be nice to be able to post from my phone.
Local posting would be a cool feature for yarn to have. A feed that can only be viewed by logged in users of that instance.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah I know its broken but its not that important of a message.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Thank you! P.S. Fixed, thank you one more time :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org
That is what I saw when I went onto twtxt.net to see. But it does not matter much as posts that I write from jenny work.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org
I hope this post works fine. I just copied the last post when I changed my feed. But this post is made with jenny.

Happy 2024, twtxt community!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I think there is a problem related to the fitting around a corner that is unsolved. I watched a video about it a little while back.

Moving sofa problem

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org
I don’t know how I would even fix my feed. The only thing I know is to delete or archive my old posts.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org
That sunset looks really nice.

@prologic@twtxt.net
It would and I should switch over and then I can view the logs.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org
That is good so that the user can see if someone replies or mentions him. I might have to switch my website to a server I can view logs.

@prologic@twtxt.net
Yarnd exposes it for the users to view logs for there own feed?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org
Yeah I think jenny should work fine. Might have got messed up. Don’t know what messed up my file I don’t recall anything that would mess up my file.
Yep the search engine is an option but if I switch to my own server or get a rented server then I will be able to view the logs.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org
I use Jenny and I thought the multi line did work. Will keep that in mind when I am writing out posts. Also do you know how I can see if someone mentions me that I am not follwing? I know the user agents exist but I can’t view the server lgos since I host this on codeberg but if I do switch to my own server it would work.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de So.. i eventually made it to the end on this one.. was able to reuse code from days 8 and 9!

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https://git.sour.is/xuu/advent-of-code/pulls/13/files

@movq@www.uninformativ.de so the pathfinding puzzle has arrived?

@johanbove@johanbove.info hope all goes well. my Buddy did the same but alcohol was involved so that falls on him.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de you are probably right.. there seems to be a final 10 trend found over on Reddit.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de tossing around inline ASM for the AoC..

@bmallred@staystrong.run this was a really fun run

In the holiday spirit i have donned my Santa hat. (shamelessly stolen from @movq@www.uninformativ.de)

@New_scientist@feeds.twtxt.net I hate to break it to you but that’s not really “A” I?

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks I am glad to be here. Was here before but now I am back.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I wish they just muted them out instead of making it an awfully loud meep sound.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de
Yes I have threading on. I wanted to put new posts at the top with set sort_aux = reverse-last-date-sent but that that makes the threads do the newest first not bellow the reply. So all replies are in a top newest order. But I can just use sort date_sent and then go to the end to go to the newest post.