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@eapl.me@eapl.me here are my replies (somewhat similar to Lyse’s and James’)

  1. Metadata in twts: Key=value is too complicated for non-hackers and hard to write by hand. So if there is a need then we should just use #NSFS or the alt-text file in markdown image syntax ![NSFW](url.to/image.jpg) if something is NSFW

  2. IDs besides datetime. When you edit a twt then you should preserve the datetime if location-based addressing should have any advantages over content-based addressing. If you change the timestamp the its a new post. Just like any other blog cms.

  3. Caching, Yes all good ideas, but that is more a task for the clients not the serving of the twtxt.txt files.

  4. Discovery: User-agent for discovery can become better. I’m working on a wrapper script in PHP, so you don’t need to go to Apaches log-files to see who fetches your feed. But for other Gemini and gopher you need to relay on something else. That could be using my webmentions for twtxt suggestion, or simply defining an email metadata field for letting a person know you follow their feed. Interesting read about why WebMetions might be a bad idea. Twtxt being much simple that a full featured IndieWeb sites, then a lot of the concerns does not apply here. But that’s the issue with any open inbox. This is hard to solve without some form of (centralized or community) spam moderation.

  5. Support more protocols besides http/s. Yes why not, if we can make clients that merge or diffident between the same feed server by multiples URLs

  6. Languages: If the need is big then make a separate feed. I don’t mind seeing stuff in other langues as it is low. You got translating tool if you need to know whats going on. And again when there is a need for easier switching between posting to several feeds, then it’s about building clients with a UI that makes it easy. No something that should takes up space in the format/protocol.

  7. Emojis: I’m not sure what this is about. Do you want to use emojis as avatar in CLI clients or it just about rendering emojis?

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**(#gctrz4q) @falsifian Only that this rendering behavior comes from yarnd’s Markdown parser library that is used:

What has text/markdown go 
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@falsifian @www.falsifian.org Only that this rendering behavior comes from yarnd’s Markdown parser library that is used:

What has text/markdown got to do with this? I don’t think Markdown says anything about replacing ÂŒ with ÂŒ, or other similar transformations. It’s not needed, because ÂŒ is already a 
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In-reply-to » (#ovlagaa) @prologic I'm not a yarnd user, so it doesn't matter a whole lot to me, but FWIW I'm not especially keen on changing how I format my twts to work around yarnd's quirks.

@bender@twtxt.net @prologic@twtxt.net I’m not exactly asking yarnd to change. If you are okay with the way it displayed my twts, then by all means, leave it as is. I hope you won’t mind if I continue to write things like 1/4 to mean “first out of four”.

What has text/markdown got to do with this? I don’t think Markdown says anything about replacing 1/4 with ÂŒ, or other similar transformations. It’s not needed, because ÂŒ is already a unicode character that can simply be directly inserted into the text file.

What’s wrong with my original suggestion of doing the transformation before the text hits the twtxt.txt file? @prologic@twtxt.net, I think it would achieve what you are trying to achieve with this content-type thing: if someone writes 1/4 on a yarnd instance or any other client that wants to do this, it would get transformed, and other clients simply wouldn’t do the transformation. Every client that supports displaying unicode characters, including Jenny, would then display ÂŒ as ÂŒ.

Alternatively, if you prefer yarnd to pretty-print all twts nicely, even ones from simpler clients, that’s fine too and you don’t need to change anything. My 1/4 -> ÂŒ thing is nothing more than a minor irritation which probably isn’t worth overthinking.

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(#gctrz4q) I think realistically the only way to resolve this is to formally support and define a specification for feed formats. The availabl 

I think realistically the only way to resolve this is to formally support and define a specification for feed formats. The available mime types lists two formats that I think are important here. text/plain and text/markdown. I believe a specification that defines and formalizes this so that a feed author can state in their feed that their feed is primar 
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In-reply-to » (#zqpkfla) @prologic Thanks for writing that up!

@bender@twtxt.net

Sorry, you’re right, I should have used numbers!

I’m don’t understand what “preserve the original hash” could mean other than “make sure there’s still a twt in the feed with that hash”. Maybe the text could be clarified somehow.

I’m also not sure what you mean by markdown already being part of it. Of course people can already use Markdown, just like presumably nothing stopped people from using (twt subjects) before they were formally described. But it’s not universal; e.g. as a jenny user I just see the plain text.

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@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks for writing that up!

I hope it can remain a living document (or sequence of draft revisions) for a good long time while we figure out how this stuff works in practice.

I am not sure how I feel about all this being done at once, vs. letting conventions arise.

For example, even today I could reply to twt abc1234 with “(#abc1234) Edit: 
” and I think all you humans would understand it as an edit to (#abc1234). Maybe eventually it would become a common enough convention that clients would start to support it explicitly.

Similarly we could just start using 11-digit hashes. We should iron out whether it’s sha256 or whatever but there’s no need get all the other stuff right at the same time.

I have similar thoughts about how some users could try out location-based replies in a backward-compatible way (append the replyto: stuff after the legacy (#hash) style).

However I recognize that I’m not the one implementing this stuff, and it’s less work to just have everything determined up front.

Misc comments (I haven’t read the whole thing):

  • Did you mean to make hashes hexadecimal? You lose 11 bits that way compared to base32. I’d suggest gaining 11 bits with base64 instead.

  • “Clients MUST preserve the original hash” — do you mean they MUST preserve the original twt?

  • Thanks for phrasing the bit about deletions so neutrally.

  • I don’t like the MUST in “Clients MUST follow the chain of reply-to references
”. If someone writes a client as a 40-line shell script that requires the user to piece together the threading themselves, IMO we shouldn’t declare the client non-conforming just because they didn’t get to all the bells and whistles.

  • Similarly I don’t like the MUST for user agents. For one thing, you might want to fetch a feed without revealing your identty. Also, it raises the bar for a minimal implementation (I’m again thinking again of the 40-line shell script).

  • For “who follows” lists: why must the long, random tokens be only valid for a limited time? Do you have a scenario in mind where they could leak?

  • Why can’t feeds be served over HTTP/1.0? Again, thinking about simple software. I recently tried implementing HTTP/1.1 and it wasn’t too bad, but 1.0 would have been slightly simpler.

  • Why get into the nitty-gritty about caching headers? This seems like generic advice for HTTP servers and clients.

  • I’m a little sad about other protocols being not recommended.

  • I don’t know how I feel about including markdown. I don’t mind too much that yarn users emit twts full of markdown, but I’m more of a plain text kind of person. Also it adds to the length. I wonder if putting a separate document would make more sense; that would also help with the length.

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In-reply-to » (#ucgvfmq) @movq going a little sideways on this, "*If twtxt/Yarn was to grow bigger, then this would become a concern again. But even Mastodon allows editing, so how much of a problem can it really be? 😅*", wouldn't it preparing for a potential (even if very, very, veeeeery remote) growth be a good thing? Mastodon signs all messages, keeps a history of edits, and it doesn't break threads. It isn't a problem there.😉 It is here.

i feel like we should isolate a subset of markdown that makes sense and built it into lextwt. it already has support for links and images. maybe basic formatting bold, italic. possibly block quote and bullet lists. no tables or footnotes

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ProcessOne: ejabberd Docs now using MkDocs
The ejabberd Docs website did just get a major rework: new content management system, reorganized navigation, improved markdown, and several improvements!

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Twtxt spec enhancement proposal thread đŸ§”

Adding attributes to individual twts similar to adding feed attributes in the heading comments.

https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/go-lextwt/pulls/17

The basic use case would be for multilingual feeds where there is a default language and some twts will be written a different language.

As seen in the wild: https://eapl.mx/twtxt.txt

The attributes are formatted as [key=value]

They can show up in the twt anywhere it is not enclosed by another element such as codeblock or part of a markdown link.

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In-reply-to » (#axkd3eq) @prologic I don't understand what you're saying. podman works with TLS. It does not have the "--docker" siwtch so you have to remove that and use the exact replacement commands that were in that github comment.

@prologic@twtxt.net what do you mean when you say “Docker API”? There are multiple possible meanings for that. podman conforms to some of Docker’s APIs and it’s unclear to me which one you say it’s not conforming to.

You just have to Google “podman Docker API” and you find stuff like this: https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/podman-rest-api

What is Podman’s REST API?

Podman’s REST API consists of two components:

  • A Docker-compatible portion called Compat API
  • A native portion called Libpod API that provides access to additional features not available in Docker, including pods

Or this: https://docs.podman.io/en/latest/markdown/podman-system-service.1.html

The REST API provided by podman system service is split into two parts: a compatibility layer offering support for the Docker v1.40 API, and a Podman-native Libpod layer.

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Rebuilding a Solar Powered Website

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A screenshot of the markdown file for this page.

During the last months we have been working on switching the solar powered website from one static site generator (Pelican) to another (Hugo). Many readers will not notice the changes right away, as we have not made any major adj 
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In-reply-to » (#oyi5iua) @darch I think having a way to layer on features so those who can support/desire them can. It would be best for the community to be able to layer on (or off) the features.

An option would be to have /twtxt.txt be the base functionality as bukket intended without subject tags, markdown, images and such truncated to 140 chars. a /yarn.txt that has all the extentions as we know and love. and maybe a /.well-known/webfinger + (TBD endpoint) that adds on the crypto enhancements that further extend things.

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In reply to: A simple mess

This is also something people keep getting wrong about Markdown as originally presented. Markdown isn’t a format. It’s a convenience tool that helps you write some of the boringest and commonest parts of HTML easier, and you can easily drop into more wonky HTML at any time.

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Gemini capsule
Gemini is a lightweight Internet protocol. It’s heavier than Gopher
but lighter than HTTP(S), especially if combined with all other web
technologies. The name makes sense if Gopher is Project Mercury and
the web is the Apollo program.

One of its uses is to serve gemtext, which is a lightweight
Markdown-like markup language, instead of HTML. Gemini browsers don’t
have support for neither Javascript, nor CSS, nor any of the other new
web technologies. It can be beautiful anyway, s 
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Gemini capsule
Gemini is a lightweight Internet
protocol. It’s heavier than Gopher but a bit lighter than HTTP(S).
It’s the Gemini programme if Gopher is Mercury and HTTP is Atlas.

One of its uses is to serve gemtext, which is a lightweight
Markdown-like markup language, instead of HTML. Gemini browsers don’t
have support for neither Javascript, nor CSS, nor any of the other new
web technologies. It can be beautiful anyway, see for instance
[Lagrange]( [http 
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@fastidious@arrakis.netbros.com the things Gemini has going for it are mutual TLS and lack of JavaScript. Which makes for a secure albeit boring experience (much like gopher). The fake markdown is a bit of a drag.

A render mode for Gemini probably wouldnt be too hard. There are markdown to Gemini libs out there.

With Web3 the whole trust a 3rd party browser ext + high fees + env impact for compute and storage are serious no gos for me.. I have heard one too many horror stories about clicking the wrong link and some script draining your metamask wallet.

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@movq@www.uninformativ.de To clarify, Markdown is just text. 😊 I can do bolding, link things, and if single return multilines ever comes to jenny, I would be able to do bulleted and numbered lists.

Headings are OK too

The only things—that I know of—that doesn’t work is “> “, but I can use “>”, like so:

D’oh!

So, jenny allows me to write Markdown almost just fine!

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